PMPD Interview Log

MP/0/73/23 - Interviews at Bunda Kandung orphanage

DATE: 06-05-1973

INTERVIEWER: DET. Meutia (DM) | SUBJECT: ALINA HALAWA (ANA)

DM: Thank you for speaking with me. I am Detective Meutia. I am here regarding Maria Ulva. We understand she did not arrive for work here yesterday, May 5th. Could you please state your full name and your relation to Sister Maria here at the orphanage?
ANA: My name is Alina Halawa. I am a caretaker and sister here at Bunda Kandung Orphanage. Sister Maria and I have worked together for three years. We share the dormitory room.
DM: Thank you, Sister Alina. I appreciate you taking the time to speak with me about Maria. I understand this is a difficult situation for everyone here. Sister Alina, you mentioned you share a dormitory room with Maria. This puts you in a unique position to observe her closely. I need to focus on the days leading up to May 5th, the day she went missing. Can you confirm if she stayed here at the orphanage on the night of May 4th, or if she was at her adoptive mother's home?
ANA: You're right, she almost always goes to her house. Her bed is always made. I don't remember seeing her that evening. Our shared room is more like her daytime resting place.
DM: Thank you for clarifying that, Sister Alina. It confirms that her primary residence is with Mrs. Desi, and her disappearance occurred before she reached the orphanage. Since you share a space with Maria, even if it's just a resting place, did you notice anything unusual in the past week?
ANA: In the past week, I didn't see any mail or unusual visitors to our room. Maria was generally quiet and focused on her work. However, Her father has come to the orphanage gate a few times recently, asking to see her. Each time, our head sister, Sister Nonna, spoke with him and sent him away. I don't know what their conversations were about, only that he was not permitted to see Maria.
DM: Sister Alina, this is a very important piece of information. When you say 'her father,' are you referring to her biological father? Also, regarding these visits, can you give me a timeframe? When was the most recent visit, and how many times do you estimate he has appeared at the gate in the past few weeks or months? And finally, did Maria ever mention these visits or express any concern about him?
ANA: Yes, her biological father. I do not know his name. As for a timeframe, the visits began a few months ago, maybe two or three times a month? But I realize now, I have not seen him at the gate in the last week to ten days. The most recent visit I personally witnessed was likely over ten days ago. Maria never mentioned these visits to me. She was a very private person, especially regarding her family. She would become quiet and withdrawn if the subject ever came up. I never pushed her to talk about it.
DM: Thank you, Sister Alina. This information about the biological father is critical. We must pursue this line of inquiry immediately. The fact that the visits stopped ten days ago may or may not be relevant, but the motivation for these visits, and why he was being turned away is crucial. You mentioned the Head Sister, Sister Nonna, was the one who handled these interactions and sent the father away. Given Maria's private nature, do you believe Sister Nonna would know more about The Biological Father's Name and Contact Information? The Reason for the Visits? or Maria's Reaction?
ANA: Yes, Detective. Sister Nonna is the one who handled all communications with Maria's biological father at the gate. She would be the one who knows his name, his reasons for coming, and how Maria felt about it. She would also have any contact information if it was provided. I only saw the interactions from a distance.
DM: Thank you, Sister Alina. Your honesty is very helpful. I will speak with Sister Nonna immediately. That information regarding the biological father is our most promising lead right now. Before you go, I need to know about the route. Maria walked here every day, a short, 10 to 15-minute walk. Was there a particular spot on that route, or a general area, where someone might typically wait for her, perhaps an acquaintance or someone she might have known from her past? Was there a quiet intersection, a bench, or a landmark where she might pause or be intercepted?
ANA: I'm sorry, Detective. I truly do not know. Maria always walked alone, and we never discussed her route. My duties kept me here at the orphanage, so I never walked with her. I cannot point to any specific spot or landmark where she might have met someone. That is something I cannot answer. I wish I could be of more help with that.
DM: I understand, Sister Alina. Thank you for your candor. We rely on your observations, and you have provided an extremely valuable lead concerning her biological father. You have been very helpful. Please maintain your routine and contact me or the station immediately if you recall anything else, no matter how small it seems. Your cooperation is appreciated.
ANA: Thank you, Detective. We all just want Sister Maria to be found safe. I will pray for her return, and I will contact you immediately if I remember anything else. Please, let us know if there is any news.

END OF THE INTERVIEWS

INTERVIEWER: DET. MEUTIA (DM) | SUBJECT: NONNA SUZZANA (NSZ)

DM: Are you sister Nonna, the head sister in this orphanage?
NSZ: Yes, my name is Suzzana, Nonna Suzzana. how can I help you?
DM: Good morning, Sister Nonna. I am Detective Meutia, and I am investigating the disappearance of Sister Maria Ulva. Thank you for speaking with me. We have received information that Maria's biological father has recently attempted to contact her here at the orphanage. I understand you were the one who handled these interactions. Sister Nonna, for the sake of our investigation and to find Maria quickly, I need the complete details regarding this man. Could you please provide me with the following information: Identity, What is the full name of Maria's biological father, and do you have any address or contact information for him? Motive, What exactly was he asking for during these visits? Was he seeking to see Maria, asking for money, or making any threats? Timeline, When did these visits begin, and critically, what was the exact date of his last known visit to the orphanage gate?
NSZ: Before we do this, please note that I may not be able to answer some questions, as I believe it would violate my promise to her. His name is Ujang, Ujang Baharudin. His address is supposedly Jalan Pejaten 4 Ujung, Pasar Minggu, just west of Pasar Minggu Junior High School. He always wants to see Maria, but he never says why, Maria tells me that whatever his reason, she won't and doesn't want to see him. The exact date of his last appearance at the gate is unclear, but it was about ten days ago.
DM: Sister Nonna, thank you. You have provided critical, actionable intelligence. I understand you wish to honor your commitment to Maria, but our commitment is to her safety. Mr. Ujang Baharudin is now a primary person of interest in this investigation. Let's focus on the last few times Mr. Baharudin came to the gate. Since you were the one speaking with him, can you describe his demeanor on those last visits?
NSZ: He is a man who is unclear, I don't like talking to him because the smell of alcohol always bothers me. His behavior is erratic, his face is dirty, and he looks drunk makes me not want to interact with him unless there is a towering gate between us. Maria herself told me to ignore him, she also didn't want to listen to anything he said.
DM: Sister Nonna, your description of Mr. Ujang Baharudin is consistent with an individual capable of erratic or impulsive behavior. The fact that he presents as intoxicated and volatile reinforces the seriousness of this lead. Tell me, Sister Nonna, when you told him Maria would not see him and wanted him ignored, did he ever make a statement that suggested he would find another way to reach her, or that he knew her routine outside the orphanage?
NSZ: When I told him to leave, he would just sit or lean against the gate. I would always watch him there until he got up and left. I personally don't know if he knows or not about Maria's routine. Likewise with his last visit, a visit as unclear and futile as usual.
DM: I see. So, his behavior was consistently erratic and unclear, and he never explicitly threatened or stated a plan to intercept her away from the orphanage. He simply loitered until he left. Sister Nonna, let's step away from Mr. Baharudin for a moment and look at Maria's professional life. We know she was reserved, but did she have any conflicts here at the orphanage with staff, other nurses, or the children? Was there any incident or interaction in the last week that caused her distress or excitement?
NSZ: No, Maria has never been involved in any problems, arguments, or fights with us, nor with her fellow sisters or children.
DM: That aligns with her mother's description of a quiet, reserved person. She appears to have been stable in her personal and professional life, with the singular recent anomaly being the unwanted attention from her biological father, Mr. Ujang Baharudin. Sister Nonna, thank you for your frankness and cooperation. You have provided us with the most important lead we have. We will be pursuing Mr. Baharudin immediately. I have no further questions for you at this time. Should you recall anything at all, any offhand comment Maria made, or any detail about Mr. Baharudin please contact me immediately.

END OF THE INTERVIEWS

INTERVIEWER: DET. MEUTIA (DM) | SUBJECT: KAELA KOWALSKIA (KAK)

DM: Good morning. Thank you for speaking with me. I am Detective Meutia. We are investigating the disappearance of Sister Maria Ulva. We understand that Maria was a private person, but we need every possible detail to find her. Could you please state your full name and your role here at Bunda Kandung?
KAK: Good morning, Detective. I am Sister Kaela Kowalskia. I am a caretaker and tutor here at the orphanage, focusing on the older children's education and daily routines.
DM: Thank you, Sister Kaela. I appreciate your time and your work here. My primary focus is establishing anything unusual that occurred in Maria's life in the days leading up to May 5th, the day she disappeared. Sister Nonna informed us about Maria's biological father, Ujang Baharudin, who has been attempting to contact her here at the gate. Did you ever see this man, Ujang Baharudin, near the orphanage gate? and Did Maria ever confide in you about her feelings regarding her past or her biological family?
KAK: Yes, Detective. I have seen the man you mentioned, Ujang Baharudin, at the gate on at least three occasions over the last month. He was always alone. He appeared disheveled and often seemed intoxicated, his speech was slurred and he was unsteady on his feet. I never saw him with a vehicle or a specific companion. I must be honest, Detective. Sister Maria was a deeply private person regarding her past. She never confided in me about her biological family, her feelings about them, or any plans. Our conversations were centered on the children's welfare and our duties. I never witnessed overt fear or anger in her, only her usual focused dedication.
DM: Thank you, Sister Kaela. Your testimony is valuable as it corroborates the description of Mr. Ujang Baharudin as a solitary, disheveled, and likely intoxicated individual who was persistently seeking contact with Maria. This consistency strengthens our focus on him. Since you are a tutor and caretaker, you would interact with Maria frequently during the day. I need to focus on her disposition immediately before her disappearance. In the days leading up to May 5th, did Maria show any signs of distraction, unusual tension, or preoccupation? Did she seem unusually hurried when leaving for home, or perhaps linger at work? Did she ever mention seeing anyone on her walk home or to work? perhaps someone she couldn't place, or someone who made her uneasy?
KAK: Detective, to be perfectly clear, I observed no change in Sister Maria's disposition in the days leading up to the 5th. She was consistent in her routines, neither unusually hurried nor lingering. Her focus on the children and her tasks was, as ever, complete. She never mentioned seeing anyone unfamiliar on her walks, nor did she express any sense of being followed or unease to me. If there was any internal tension, she did not show it.
DM: I see. Thank you, Sister Kaela. Your observation of her consistency is actually quite telling—it suggests that if something happened to her on the morning of May 5th, it likely wasn't the result of a long simmering internal crisis, but rather a sudden external interference. Your testimony has been very clear. You may return to your duties. Please keep what we've discussed confidential, but don't hesitate to reach out if you remember even a small fragment of a conversation that now seems out of place
KAK: Of course, Detective. I will do so. My prayers are with you and for Sister Maria's safe return. Please, let me know if there is anything more the orphanage can do to assist.

END OF THE INTERVIEWS

INTERVIEWER: DET. MEUTIA (DM) | SUBJECT: KLARA OCTAVIA (KAV)

DM: Good morning. I am Detective Meutia. As you likely know, we are investigating the disappearance of Sister Maria Ulva. We are trying to build a complete picture of her life leading up to May 5th. To start, could you please state your full name and your role here at the orphanage? Also, how closely did you work with Sister Maria on a daily basis?
KAV: Good morning, Detective Meutia. My full name is Sister Klara Octavia. I am a sister assigned to Orphanage Bunda Kandung, where I serve as one of the caregivers and educators for the children. I worked very closely with Sister Maria on a daily basis. We shared many of the same duties: preparing meals, supervising the children’s activities, teaching catechism classes, and taking turns with night duties. We often planned the daily schedule together and supported each other in looking after the younger sisters and the orphans. She was a dear colleague and friend.
DM: Good morning, Sister Klara. It sounds like you and Maria were quite close, perhaps more so than some of the others here. I'm sorry for the distress this must be causing you; having a friend and colleague simply vanish is incredibly difficult. Because you worked so closely with her, you might have noticed things that others missed. Others have mentioned her father, Ujang Baharudin, and his erratic visits to the gate. Did Maria ever express fear of her father? Did she mention him ever trying to contact her outside of the orphanage, like through a letter or by finding her on the street? We know the father stopped showing up at the gate about ten days before she went missing. During those last ten days, did Maria's mood change at all? Did she seem relieved that he was gone, or perhaps more anxious, as if she were looking over her shoulder? Did she mention any plans for that morning, like stopping at a shop or meeting someone briefly before her shift?
KAV: Thank you for your kindness. Yes, it has been very painful for all of us here. Regarding Sister Maria’s father, Mr. Ujang Baharudin… I never heard her express fear of him. She rarely spoke about him at all. Sister Maria was a very private person; she kept her family matters to herself and almost never shared personal details, even with those of us who worked closest to her. I knew that her father sometimes came to the gate asking to see her, but she never discussed those visits with me in any depth. She did not mention receiving any letters from him or encountering him outside the orphanage grounds. As for the last ten days before she disappeared, when his visits apparently stopped… I did not notice any significant change in her mood. She carried out her duties as calmly and diligently as always. She did not seem relieved, nor did she appear more anxious or watchful. She was the same quiet, devoted sister we all knew. She did not mention any plans to stop at a shop or meet anyone before her shift. Our routine was simple: she was scheduled for the early morning prayers and then to help with breakfast preparation.
DM: Thank you, Sister Klara. It is remarkable how consistently Maria maintained her composure, even under the shadow of such a difficult family situation. It speaks to a very strong-willed character. Because you shared those long night shifts and meal preparations, sometimes silence or small actions say more than words. I have just a couple more specific questions: In those last ten days, did you ever see her looking at a particular item, a photograph, a letter, or perhaps a small scrap of paper when she thought she was alone? and you mentioned you knew the father came to the gate. Since you and Maria were often together, did you ever personally witness him shouting or making a scene when he was turned away, or was he always quiet in his persistence?
KAV: Detective, In those last ten days or at any time, really... I never noticed Sister Maria looking at a photograph, a letter, or any small scrap of paper when she thought no one was watching. She was not the type to linger over personal items. Her belongings were very few, and she kept everything neatly put away. During our shared duties, even in quiet moments, she was always focused on the task at hand or on her prayers. There were no such private moments with objects that I ever observed. As for her father at the gate, I personally never witnessed him shouting or making a scene. The few times I happened to be near the entrance when he came, he simply stood there quietly, he is somewhat weird eith his movements. When he was told she did not wish to see him, he would lower his head and leave without protest or raised voice. I cannot speak for every single visit, of course, but the times I saw him myself, he was calm, almost resigned.
DM: Thank you for that detail, Sister Klara. One last thing, Sister. You mentioned she was very neat with her few belongings. Since she disappeared, has anyone checked her locker or the space where she kept her personal items here at the orphanage? Sometimes a person who keeps everything inside their head might still leave a small clue behind in their personal space a receipt, a map, or even a name written on a piece of paper.
KAV: To my knowledge, no one has opened or searched Sister Maria’s locker or her personal drawer since her disappearance. Her space in the dormitory has been left exactly as it was out of respect for her.
DM: Thank you, Sister. You've been incredibly helpful. Please stay close by; we may need your assistance in a moment to look at Maria's workspace.

END OF THE INTERVIEWS

INTERVIEWER: DET. MEUTIA (DM) | SUBJECT: YOLANDA VERONIKA (YVA)

DM: Good morning. I am Detective Meutia. Thank you for coming in. We are speaking with everyone who worked closely with Sister Maria to ensure we haven't missed any details regarding her disappearance on May 5th. To begin, please state your full name and your specific role here at Bunda Kandung. Also, how long have you known Sister Maria?
YDA: Good morning, Detective. My full name is Sister Yolanda Veronika. I am one of the caretakers here at the Bunda Kandung orphanage. I oversee the daily care of the children, manage the younger sisters in their duties, and assist with the administrative and spiritual needs of the home. I have known Sister Maria for approximately three years, if I remember correctly.
DM: Thank you, Sister Yolanda. Three years is a significant amount of time to observe someone's habits. As a manager of the younger sisters and the children, you likely have a broad view of the social dynamics here. Since you’ve known her for three years, you’ve seen the long term pattern of her life. We have heard about Mr. Hendarto Over these three years, has his presence at the gate been a constant, or did it suddenly start or intensify recently?
YDA: Regarding Mr. Hendarto… his presence at the gate has been quite consistent over the three years. He would come almost every week, sometimes twice, always asking to see her. It was never sudden or new; it was simply… persistent. Over time, Sister Nonna, became the ones who usually handled him, politely but firmly turning him away, as he was not allowed inside without permission. That pattern remained the same right up until May.
DM: Think back to the very last time you saw Maria, likely on May 4th, the day before she disappeared. Was there anything different? A different pair of shoes, a different way she tied her hair, or perhaps she was carrying a small bag she didn't usually have?
YDA: As for the last time I saw Sister Maria, we were in the refectory after evening prayers, helping clear the tables with some of the older children. She looked and acted completely as usual. She was wearing her normal uniform, the same black shoes she always wore, no different accessories, nothing out of the ordinary at all.
DM: Did Maria have any 'proteges' or children she was particularly attached to? Sometimes a child might know a secret or have seen a visitor that the adults missed
YDA: Sister Maria was a very private person, yes. She was gentle, dedicated, and never involved in any conflicts that I ever witnessed. She didn’t have enemies here, not that anyone knew of. She was well-liked by the other sisters and deeply loved by the children, but she didn’t single out any particular child as a “protege” in an obvious way. She treated them all with the same quiet kindness. she had a great patience for them. But even then, she never shared personal secrets with them, as far as I know. She kept her own matters very close to her hearth
DM: Thank you, Sister Yolanda. Your observation that his visits were a three-year constant is a vital piece of the puzzle. It means Mr. Hendarto wasn't a new threat, but a persistent shadow in her life. You have all been incredibly helpful. Please, if any of the children mention anything Maria might have said to them in confidence, no matter how small, notify the Supervisor or myself immediately.

END OF THE INTERVIEWS